Thursday, 28 April 2016

Death Not Just About Humankind

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Death Not Just About Humankind

It has been stated by one Old Earth Creationist (OEC) that - "I'm not saying that more than humanity wasn't effected. I'm saying that the the two verses given are about mankind. [sic]"

Let's say for a fleeting moment, that the verses:

·         “…death spread to all men…”
·         “…death reigned…”
·         “…by a man came death…”

relates only, and expressly, to humankind and therefore also exclusively to humankind's death, and thus not to animal, or plant, deaths of any kind. 

From this basic premise, we now open the floodgates for the death(s) of everything from bacterium to Apes and everything in between, possibly over millions and billions of years.  This process, after all, is really suggesting that what the #GHADE claim with respect to a millions, and even billions, of years’ time lines are correct and true, and also that the process was “guided” by a ‘Supreme Being’ (Progressive Creation / Theistic Evolution).

This premise presents, I believe, numerous challenges:

i)                   - why would G-d call something wrought with pain, anguish, sickness and even death, - "very good"?
ii)                 - did G-d (Christ) use some form of trial and error methodology[1] of getting from the first most basic form of organic matter, simple bacterium, through to Apes (man's quasi closest evolutionary relative, according to the #GHADE)?
iii)               - is there a part of the general writing style of Genesis Chapter One which presents itself as "poetic", "parabolic" or as "figurative?
iv)               - did G-d use the descriptor of “In Six Days”, as presented in Genesis Chapter One, in order to cause confusion?
v)                   - is it easier to argue somehow that the words used in Genesis Chapter One do not simply mean what their plain straightforward rendering means, than is it to simply take them at face value?
vi)               - in view of the very plain words found in Exodus 20:11 and 31:17, upon what basis does one conclude that “day” in the context of Genesis Chapter One means anything but a "24-hour day"?
vii)             - although far from conclusive, in view of the first implied notation of animal deaths being in Genesis Chapter Three, verse 21, upon what basis, or criteria, does one conclude that any deaths occurred prior to that point in time?
viii)           - doesn’t it seem like a stretch (at best) to draw conclusions based upon ideas that - "well, the text *MIGHT* mean ____"?
ix)               - why would G-d say: “I did it In Six Days”?
x)                  - why would G-d allow his inspired author, Moses, to write - "G-d did it In Six Days”?

In verses 3, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25 and 31 of Genesis Chapter One we read the word "good".  It is repeated seven times through the progression of creative days.  G-d even uses the word “good” twice on the “Second Day”.  And in fact in verse 31 it is preceded by the word "very" rendering the subject matter, being all of G-d's (Christ's) creation – “Very Good".

It seems to defy logic, that a series of organic matter from the most basic and simple from bacterium to Apes, underwent millions and possibly billions of years of death (really, destruction, pain, suffering, anguish, sickness and finally death), and still be called - "very good".

It seems to defy logic that G-d's creative processes are reduced to the lowest common denominator, almost as if we are comparing G-d's creative works, taking billions of years, with [1]Thomas Edison's c. ~ 2,000 failed attempts at making a light-bulb.  To do so requires applying some very broad meanings to the simple words found in the writing style of Genesis Chapter One. 

The general writing style of Genesis Chapter One does not present itself as "poetic", "parabolic" or as "figurative.  Rather, the general writing style of Genesis Chapter One appears to be much more just a plain, simple and straightforward historical narrative.

The use of the descriptive of In Six Days as presented in Genesis Chapter One, is also very much supported by the clear, and also very plain words found in Exodus 20:11, as well as Exodus 31:17.  To argue somehow that the word "day" does not truly mean a simple, as we see it today, "24-hour day", is a stretch to say the least.

As someone stated elsewhere in that same thread - "In Genesis 3:21 the Lord God make coats of [animal] skins and clothed [Adam and Eve]. Maybe [the] first animal was killed for [its] skins because of [man's sins] ..."? (emphasis in square parentheses mine)

All-in-all, it just seems like a stretch (at best) to draw conclusion based upon ideas that - "well, the text *MIGHT* mean ____" - especially on the heels of the plain wording of the text meaning something vastly different.  When all is said and done, looking to ways to suggest that the text *MIGHT* mean something that agrees with the #GHADE's evolutionary deep time / ancient ages *theories*, really only begs the question – WHY?

Why, if G-d (Christ) really did take millions and billions of years, through countless trillions of trial and error, deaths, inaccuracies and destruction, would G-d either:

Say – “I did it In Six Days”?


Allow his inspired author, Moses, to write - "G-d did it In Six Days”?

“No Jesus, NO peace” and yet, “Know Jesus, KNOW peace”

How does one get to “know” Jesus?  Simple, invite Him into your heart, as Jesus says: “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” [Revelation 3:20 NIV]  How can be assured that this Jesus stuff means anything?  Well because the Bible tells us so, as the Apostle Paul wrote:

“If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.” [Romans 10:9-10 NIV]

And for those of you who say to me, I can’t be bothered reading the Bible, “it’s confusing” or “it’s a waste of my time”, may I draw your attention to what the Bible says about wisdom: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” [Proverbs 9:10 NIV]

If nothing else, PLEASE read two chapters from the Bible – (don’t own one, sorry NO excuse, if you’re reading this, you can access this: John 3 and John 14!

John 3:16 says:  “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

And John 14:6 says: “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Well that’s it, that’s Da Bauz’s take on, Death Not Being Just About Humankind, this 28th day of April, 2016 © 2016, All Rights Reserved. wr (Da Bauz, Christian Zionist “creationist” too!)

Just sayin’...

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R epent of rejecting Christ
A ccept Christ as your Lord
D evelop your relationship with G-d

#RAD your relationship with the Living Almighty God Himself as your personal Lord and Saviour depends on it!

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