Saturday, 21 May 2016
Please do not lose sight of Christ Crucified
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Please Do Not Lose Sight Of Christ Crucified
Recently in discussions with some other Christians, one fellow made what I thought was a brilliant opening statement - "Let's focus on leading more people correctly to Christ." - [emphasis on the word 'correctly' I learned later to be very significant]
He went on to make some rather bold and also, IMHO, difficult to fully substantiate claims. This fellow stated emphatically that:
* Jesus states He will rise on the third day
* Jesus rose on a Sunday
* Jesus died on a Friday
* If Jesus died on a Wednesday, He then rose on the fifth day which would make Jesus wrong
* Jesus died in 30 AD at the age of 33
* Jesus was not born in 0 AD
* Jesus was actually born in 3 BC at Passover.
* If Jesus was born in 0 AD Herod could not have been the one to kill the babies since he was dead by then.
And he also made some comment about the - "Latest research shows Herod could have died in 1 BC check Wikipedia for that information." - Check Wikipedia, really "check Wiki"!?!?
It is noteworthy to point out, that he did say - "could have" and used a 'check Wiki' reference - and that there remains strong evidence that Herod's death was in the spring on 3 BC.
So, are you sure, Christians?
Are you sure that:
* Jesus said - "He will rise on the third day"?
* Jesus rose on a Sunday ?
* Jesus died on a Friday ?
* Jesus died in A.D. 30 ?
* Jesus was actually born in 3 BC ?
Those are all very strong, very bold absolute claims.
Are you sure that - "If He died on Wednesday, that He [would have] risen on the fifth day - ?
First - did Jesus say - He will rise on the third day?
Christ said, according to Mark 9:31 - "they will kill Me, and after three days, I will rise" - while according to Matthew 17:23 we do see phraseology used like - "on the third day, I will rise". But going back just a few chapters in Matthew, to Chapter 12:40, we see a poignant and very clear statement made by our Lord saying:
Thus we have some hardline statements that do simply say - 'rise on the third day' - some other softer statements that say - 'after three days' - and yet still others that say pretty firmly - "three days and three nights". Some will conclude, and argue accordingly, that these variances equate to contradictions. But do they?
In all languages, there are idioms, the Hebrew and Greek languages both have idioms, as does the English language. And though I am not a linguistics expert, nor a Hebrew, Greek or even an English expert, I think it fair to describe 'idioms' as words / phrases which are not to be taken literally... e.g., in English one might say:
"That is an 'eye sore'!" - This does not mean it literally makes one's eyes experience physical pain.
"That house is 'pretty ugly'." - This does not mean the house is both "pretty" and "ugly", it simply means (both literally and figuratively) that the house is VERY ugly.
So goes it in / with the Hebrew and Greek languages. Ergo, Context, Context, CONTEXT has got to be King. Otherwise, both a virtual and literal flood of misinterpretation(s) can and will be applied to passages not meant to be viewed in a specific way. Not everything in the Bible is literal. Though this is, in fact, a great starting point, one needs to look at the context of the immediately preceding and following (as applicable) one, two or three verses, look at the chapter and the Book being read, the context of the subject matter at hand, and the broader context of Scripture in general.
"He just 'bought the farm'." - is another form of idiom. This does not mean that someone literally purchased some real estate, rather it means, sadly, that someone has died.
Second and Third - did Jesus die on a Friday, and Rise on a Sunday?
Christ died sometime after three pm on the day of the Crucifixion, and was removed from the Cross sometime before six pm (sunset) on the day of the Crucifixion. - Matthew 27:46 - 50, Mark 15:33 - 37, Luke 23:44 - 47 & John 19:28 - 30 and Matthew 27:57, Mark 15:42 - 45, Luke 23:50 - 53 & John 31 - 38.
* 24 hours later, if that day, the day of the Crucifixion, was a Wednesday, we would have one day and one night - Thursday between three pm six pm (sunset) on the day after the Crucifixion, one day...
* 24 hours after that we have two days and nights - Friday between three pm six pm (sunset) on the day after the Crucifixion, two days...
* 24 hours later we have three days and nights - Saturday between three pm six pm (sunset) on the day after the Crucifixion, three days...
Reading what we can in the Gospels, beginning with Matthew 12:40, Jesus very expressly says - "just as .... three days, and three nights..."
Mark 16:1 tells us that the ladies, after the Sabbath was over, went out shopping for spices, oils and ointments to anoint the Lord's body. See also Luke 23:56
As a regular Saturday Sabbath (Seventh Day Shabbat) would have ended at sunset on Saturday night, thus the ladies would be in total darkness, the event(s) of Mark 16:1 would have required that the ladies, without male accompaniment, be out shopping in the dark. BUT...
A Wednesday Crucifixion, followed by a Special High (Passover) Thursday Shabbat / Sabbath, would allow the ladies to go shopping on the Friday, gather and prepare their oils, spices and ointments, and still honour a regular Saturday Sabbath (Seventh Day Shabbat)!
Let us not forget, the empty tomb. None of the Scriptures, not one of the four Gospels actually states - "Jesus was raised from the dead on Sunday morning (or even 'on the morning of' the First Day of the week) ...
John 20 verse One simply says: - "Early on first day of the week... the tomb was FOUND empty..." Scripture says it (the tomb) was found empty early Sunday morning, not that Jesus Resurrection occurred early Sunday morning...
Luke 24:1 and Matthew 28:1 - 5 say something very similar - "the tomb was found empty early Sunday morning", not that "Jesus' Resurrection occurred early on Sunday morning."
Mark 16:9, does say (depending on translation read) that - "Jesus rose early on the First Day of the week" - but here too folks, Scripture does not say - "Jesus rose early on the *Morning Of* the First Day of the week" - rather Scripture's simple phraseology is:
"Jesus rose early on the First Day of the week" - Mark 16:9
And based upon the Jewish customs of the day, and to this very day in fact, of each NEW day beginning with sunset, the phrase - "Jesus rose early on the First Day of the week" - could, and indeed would, be equally well ascribed to moments after sunset, on Saturday night as to early Sunday morning.
Fourth - did Jesus die in A.D. 30?
Well, to determine reasonable options for a year of death (YOD), one must first look to the Scriptures, and second look at what history tells us, and also consider the various implications for possible years of birth (YOB). Scripture tells us that Christ was - "about 30 years old" - when He began His Earthly Ministry. - Luke 3:23 And based upon the series of events as denoted in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John and in the Book of Acts, including attending three Passovers it is usually concluded that Jesus' Earthly Ministry lasted c.~ 3 1/2 years.
Therefore, 30 + 3 1/2 years gives us i.e. 33 years of age for Christ when He was Crucified. Thus if one works backwards from the approximate age of 33, and begins with A.D. 33, 32, 31, 30 and so on, through A.D. 27, one will arrive at possible Birth Years for Jesus the Christ of:
Thru 7 BC
To digress, for just a moment, while it is a true statement that - "If Jesus was born in 0 AD [sic], Herod could not have been the one to kill the babies since he was dead by then." - there remains another problem. Yes, it is true (and this can be said with *absolute* unwavering certainty) that this creates a problem with Christ's birth being placed after Herod's death, however that problem persists for years of birth (YOB) 1 BC, 2 BC, 3 BC and even quite likely for 4 BC - there is, however, another problem...
* There is no year ZERO.
The calendar (which admittedly did not exist in Jesus day) went directly from 1 BC to A.D. 1, no year 0 at all, so clearly Jesus was not, and indeed could not have been, born in Year 0!
Fifth - was Jesus birth in year 3 BC?
Well as suggested above it would be, to say the least, impossible if Herod died in 4 BC for Christ to have been birthed in A.D. 0. I would also dare say that, based upon the info in the Scriptures, that if Herod's YOD was 4 BC, then it is very likely Christ's YOB would have to have been between two and nearly three years previous.
With that said some, including the individual noted above, have suggested that Herod perhaps died in 1 BC. Let's come back to Herod's YOD, as Point Six later. For now, let us consider the implications of a 1 BC YOD for Herod, and the implications on Christ's birth. As stated above, based upon Scripture one would have to go back between two and nearly three years farther into history to reasonably accommodate Scripture and verifiable facts. Thus if Herod's YOD was 1 BC, Christ's YOB would have to be 3 or possibly 4 BC.
Sixth - Herod's YOD, and alleged evidence for a 1 BC time frame. I will say only this on this particular subject - after a couple of hours of researching, I have discovered that there appears to be about as much evidence in support of moving the date from 4 BC to 8 BC, as there is for moving the date to 1 BC. Therefore, it is my contention for the time being at least, to leave (for the purposes of this article) the traditionally accepted date for the YOD of Herod the Great at 4 BC.
Seventh and lastly - Herod's 'Massacre of the Innocents' or 'Slaughter of the Innocents'. Many ask, and understandably so - "where is / are the historical records?" If fact many ask specifically - "if someone like Herod really did order the murder of all babies under two years of age in Jerusalem, why is this not documented?" But apart from the fact that the absence of third party historical references to Biblical accounts does not bear much weight, there are also other problems.
The Bible does not say, - "murder of babies in Jerusalem" - it says - "murder of babies in Bethlehem" - neither does the bible say - "babies under two" - it says - "babies, two years of age and under." -
Bethlehem, and not Jerusalem, does that really matter though? Well, for starters Bethlehem in Jesus' day was a very small town, with maybe 500 or possibly 600 people living there. Does that matter? Based upon typical demographics it can be suggested that in a community with even 600 people, the number of infants and toddlers (2 years old and under), would be a fairly low number. Likely 20 to 30 babies, possibly 40 on the outside. Now this is not to imply that even one life was meaningless, at least not to me.
Herod was well noted for his commission of horrific, heinous, and vulgar crimes against humanity . Thus to the Romans and even historians of the day, the peoples, and indeed the children, of insignificant little Bethlehem were indeed meaningless and inconsequential.
/// NAME REDACTED - "Let's focus on leading more people correctly to Christ. Jesus states He will rise on the third day. He rose on Sunday died on Fri.. If He died on Wed. He rose on the fifth day which makes Jesus wrong. Hmmmm. As for the geologists wrong, Jesus died in 30 AD at the age of 33. He was not born in 0 AD but actually in 3 BC at Passover. Latest research shows Herod could have died in 1 BC check Wikipedia for that information. If Jesus was born in 0 AD Herod could not have been the one to kill the babies since he was dead by then. So much for geologists.[sic]" ///
I believe there are many solid and sound reasons to view a Wednesday through Saturday Crucifixion and Resurrection process.
Yet, at the end of the day, what Paul had to say in I Corinthians 13:12 & 2:2, should be a good guide post.
The Gospels do not tell us plainly, blatantly or expressly "Friday" or "Wednesday"... neither did the New Testament writers waste time admonishing folk about adherence to Fridays or Wednesdays...
Paul merely preached "Christ crucified"!
I happen to be an ardent supporter of, and even believer in, the Wednesday through Saturday presentation. And I am so inclined, based upon a host of points based upon what I see in Scripture. Yet, I fear that this just becomes one more point that many of us (yes, myself included) engage in heated discussions over. And we all too often lose sight of the simple fact of - "Christ Crucified".
I find the subject matter both fascinating and even invigorating. I have learned much because someone said - "Scripture in BCV says..., do you not think that must mean "A", "B" and / or "C"!"
Sometimes Scriptures like John 14:6, and Acts 4:12 spell things out very, very bluntly and blatantly – "Jesus is the only way" and "no other name under heaven"!
Sometimes Scriptures like Genesis Chapter One, and Exodus 20:11 & 31:17 spell things out very, very bluntly and blatantly - G-d (Christ) created everything (the Heavens and the Earth) in Six Days...
But on many other subject lines...
While we do read:
Jesus was birthed of a Virgin - Matthew 1:18
We do not read His birth day was "X"
While we do read:
Jesus was Crucified - Matthew 27:32-56 & Luke 23:26-43
We do not read His Crucifixion day was "X"
While we do read:
Jesus has promised that He'd return  - John 14:3
We do not read His Day of return will be "X"
Please Do Not Lose Sight Of Christ Crucified
“No Jesus, NO peace” and yet, “Know Jesus, KNOW peace”
How does one get to “know” Jesus? Simple, invite Him into your heart, as Jesus says: “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” [Revelation 3:20 NIV] How can be assured that this Jesus stuff means anything? Well because the Bible tells us so, as the Apostle Paul wrote:
“If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.” [Romans 10:9-10 NIV]
And for those of you who say to me, I can’t be bothered reading the Bible, “it’s confusing” or “it’s a waste of my time”, may I draw your attention to what the Bible says about wisdom: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” [Proverbs 9:10 NIV]
If nothing else, PLEASE read two chapters from the Bible – (don’t own one, sorry NO excuse, if you’re reading this, you can access this: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16&version=NIV) John 3 and John 14!
John 3:16 says: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
And John 14:6 says: “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Well that’s it, that’s Da Bauz’s take on the question, “Please do not lose sight of Christ Crucified”, this 21st day of May, 2016 © 2016, All Rights Reserved. wr (Da Bauz, Christian Zionist “creationist” too!)
What is #RAD? #RAD is:
R epent of rejecting Christ
A ccept Christ as your Lord
D evelop your relationship with G-d
#RAD your relationship with the Living Almighty God Himself as your personal Lord and Saviour depends on it!
What is #ATEND G-d (Christ)? Ask me!
John 3:16, Revelation 3:20, Romans 10:9 -10, Revelation 21:27, II Corinthians 5:21 and I John 5:13 / John 20:31!
Cited or consulted sources and resources
 - “Walvoord, John F., and Roy B. Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc.) 1983, 1985. ”
http://bit.ly/1TbrRGd - “How long was Jesus' ministry?” Got Questions
http://bit.ly/1XIbmXZ - “How old was Jesus when He died on the cross?” C.A.R.M.
http://bit.ly/1XIbzub - “How old was Jesus when He was crucified?” C.A.R.M.
http://bit.ly/1qBvuO6 - “Why isn't there other evidence of the massacre of the babies?” C.A.R.M.
http://bit.ly/1kliLwA - “Bible Hub”
http://bit.ly/1kliTMD - “BibleGateway”
Posted by Da Bauz (The Boss) at 19:30