Thursday, 24 December 2015

Is there any evidence that there were carnivores before the fall [of man]?


Is There Any Evidence That There Were Carnivores Before The Fall [Of Man]?

The answer to that question would be a resounding "NO". - Genesis  1:29 & 30 and Genesis 2:16:

Quoting – “And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:” - End Quote KJV.  And Adman and Eve both knew this, and knew this very well, see Genesis 3:2 and 3:3.   How can we be sure that Adam bothered to tell Eve, what the Lord God commanded of the man?  Or how can we be sure that Eve really understood what the Lord God commanded of the man? Well consider how Genesis 3:2 opens:  Quoting – “The woman answered the serpent, ‘We may eat from…’ ” – CJB, and – “…but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” End Quote – NIV.

Taking into account Romans 5:12 & I Corinthians 15:21 – wherein we read that death entered the world by way of sin, and as sin had not yet happened pre-fall – “ one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin...” KJV – PLUS the fact that in Genesis 3:21 we read the – “Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.” KJV – then given the dietary directives of Genesis 1:29 – 30 and 2:16, and the complimenting passages of Romans 5 and I Corinthians 15, plus Genesis 3 it seems safe to conclude that there were NO carnivorous creatures (no death) pre-fall! None.

There are those who argue that, as G-d (Christ) obviously killed some animal(s) in order to give Adam and Eve coverings Genesis 3:21, those carnivorous practices began there and then**.  While this is certainly possible, the directive given to Noah and his family post flood – Genesis 9:2-4, clearly shows that G-d (Christ) did not, before then, give full sanction for the consumption of meat – (possibly not by human nor animal).  At least not prior to the great flood of Noah's day.

Now in Genesis 9:2 we read – “...the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth...” KJV, and in Genesis 9:3 – “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you...” KJV and then verse four we read the prohibition against raw meats with blood still in it.

So... Carnivorous (Man or beast):

Pre-fall – NO.
Between the fall and the flood – Maybe **?
Post flood – YES!

Does any of this really matter?  In a salvific sense… “NO”.  In the sense of challenging folk to look at what G-d
s (Christ’s) Holy Word, The Bible, actually does or does not say… perhaps.  You decide.  After reading cited texts first-hand for yourselves, you decide! Say, does this “Jesus stuff” give you gas?  Does it leave you feeling unsettled, uncomfortable, and uneasy?  Want answers?

“No Jesus, NO peace” and yet, “Know Jesus, KNOW peace”

How does one get to “know” Jesus?  Simple, invite Him into your heart, as Jesus says: “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” [Revelation 3:20 NIV]  How can we be assured that this Jesus stuff means anything?  Well because the Bible tells us so, as the Apostle Paul wrote:

“If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.” [Romans 10:9-10 NIV]

And for those of you who say to me, I can’t be bothered reading the Bible, “it’s confusing” or “it’s a waste of my time”, may I draw your attention to what the Bible says about wisdom: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” [Proverbs 9:10 NIV]

If nothing else, PLEASE read two chapters from the Bible – (don’t own one, sorry NO excuse, if you’re reading this, you can access this: John 3 and John 14!

John 3:16 says:  “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

And John 14:6 says: “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Well that’s it, that’s Da Bauz’s take on, Evidence That There Were No Carnivores Before The Fall, this 24th day of December, 2015 © 2015, All Rights Reserved. wr (Da Bauz, Christian Zionist “creationist” too!)

What is #RAD?  #RAD is:

R epent of rejecting Christ
A ccept Christ as your Lord
D evelop your relationship with the Living Almighty God Himself as your personal Lord and Saviour

John 3:16, Revelation 3:20, Romans 10:9 -10, Revelation 21:27, II Corinthians 5:21 and I John 5:13 / John 20:31!


Cited or consulted sources and resources - “Bible Hub” - “BibleGateway”

** As man had already shown a tendency towards disobedience to G-d (Christ) with Adam's sin many argue, and I tend to agree that this is well within the realms of plausibility, that many did in fact consume flesh, and do so well before the flood.  In other words predation was likely much more than just a random periodic occurrence, consider Cain and Abel - Genesis 4:1-16, but rather quite likely prevalent.

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