Tuesday, 8 December 2015



What Does The Qur’an Say About the Violent Subjugation of the non-Muslim?

In a recent discussion I had with a Muslim fellow about Islam being “all about peace”.  Sura (Chapter in the Qur’an) 5 MA'IDAH (The Table Spread), verse 32 came up.  Typical of the deceptive ways of Islam, the Muslim fellow quoted Sura 5:32 as follows:

“ "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind" ”

But this is what the entirety of Sura 5:32 reads as:

First, Notice that the Muslim’s quoted version only contains Twenty-Eight (28) words, and “an escape clause”*, while the entire verse contains Seventy-Three (73) words, plus “an escape clause”*.

Second, that verse is clearly a direct commandment to the Children of Israel... see opening line! (plagiarized from Talmud) – “…decreed upon the Children of Israel…”.

Third, consider the “escape clause”* itself, both as found in Sura 5:32 – “...unless for a soul or for corruption...” and as written by the Muslim fellow “…[unjustly]…”.

* Let's pause right here, before we look at 5:32 in broader context to include verse 33, and focus for a moment just on that ‘escape clause’, whether phrased as contained in the full verse – “...unless for a soul or for corruption...” – or as Mr. NAME REDACTED said in his significantly shortened version of the verse – “…[unjustly]…”

I asked the Muslim fellow about his very misleading edited version of Sura 5:32, and I also asked him what his thoughts were on the point about Sura 5:32 being plagiarised from Talmud, and being directed to the Jews.  

His reply:

NAME REDACTED – “Warren—do you not know who the children of Israel are? They're not talking about the modern-day Zionist state. They're (Sura 5:32) Talking About Jacob, whose name became Israel. He (Jacob) had Two Sons: Isaac And Ishmael. The sons of Isaac became Jews, the sons of Ishmael Arabs. Both Jews and Arabs are the children of Israel in that verse. And that verse can be interpreted to mean all of humanity. Your interpretation is narrow-minded, self-serving, and hateful. [sic]”

Notice his attempt to make Islam, part of Israel, and completely evade and avoid the issue(s) of context and meaning?  I told the fellow that we’d come back to the issue of Ishmael being and Israeli, but that for now I wanted to talk about the “escape clause”.  So, continuing I asked the Muslim fellow – “Could you please, Mr. NAME REDACTED, explain what you personally believe and understand ‘unless for a soul’ or ‘for corruption’ even means?”

Not surprisingly his replies at first were attempts to say – “I’ve already answered that” – or some such answer very similar to that. 

Eventually he did respond to the question -

Quoting – “ "for a soul" = if someone kills you or a friend or loved one, you are allowed to retlaiate

"for corruption" = if there is a situation you think is unjust, you are allowed to use violence to try to fix it” – End Quote 2:27 pm

I must confess here that I still find it humorous, in a twisted sort of (Princess Bride - http://bit.ly/1lsjs86 and / or Jim Stafford’s Cow Patti song - http://bit.ly/1lsjNrj) kind of way, that someone actually wrote – “if someone kills you, you are allowed to retaliate”.  Talk about believing in an AFTERLIFE! Ah, but I digress...

And then the excuses began, as this Muslim fellow set out to blame others for the evils seen in Islam, and evils done by Islam (much like the way both C.A.I.R.in the US and A.N.I.C in Australia do regularly) on everybody else:

“…I fall victim to that too…” 3:31 pm


“…I let you make me…” 3:40 pm

Now, having said all the above about the violent nature of Islam, we cannot lose sight of the fact that we have hope, an awesome hope, (as it is by and through His death that we as Christians are truly set free, II Timothy 1:10; Yeshayah 25:8; and Hebrews 2:14) and Resurrection (and yes, it is by His Resurrection that we as Christians have hope, I Corinthians 15:20; Romans 8:11 and I Peter 1:3, for new life in Christ.  An awesome hope that is available to ALL of humankind Romans 10:9 and John 3:16-17.  Isn’t that truly #RAD?!)

“No Jesus, NO peace” and yet, “Know Jesus, KNOW peace”

How does one get to “know” Jesus?  Simple, invite Him into your heart, as Jesus says: “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” [Revelation 3:20 NIV]  How can we be assured that this Jesus stuff means anything?  Well because the Bible tells us so, as the Apostle Paul wrote:

“If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.” [Romans 10:9-10 NIV]

And for those of you who say to me, I can’t be bothered reading the Bible, “it’s confusing” or “it’s a waste of my time”, may I draw your attention to what the Bible says about wisdom: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” [Proverbs 9:10 NIV]

If nothing else, PLEASE read two chapters from the Bible – (don’t own one, sorry NO excuse, if you’re reading this, you can access this: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16&version=NIV) John 3 and John 14!

John 3:16 says:  “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

And John 14:6 says: “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Well that’s it, that’s Da Bauz’s take on, What the Qur’an says about subjugation of non-Muslims, this 8th day of December, 2015 © 2015, All Rights Reserved. wr (Da Bauz, Christian Zionist “creationist” too!)

What is #RAD?  #RAD is:

R epent of rejecting Christ
A ccept Christ as your Lord
D evelop your relationship with the Living Almighty God Himself as your personal Lord and Saviour

John 3:16, Revelation 3:20, Romans 10:9 -10, Revelation 21:27, II Corinthians 5:21 and I John 5:13 / John 20:31!


Cited or consulted sources and resources

http://bit.ly/1lsfImT - “Quran.com”

http://bit.ly/1kliLwA - “Bible Hub”

http://bit.ly/1kliTMD - “BibleGateway”



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