Did God (Christ) Want Man to Fail in the Garden of Eden
Did God (Christ) Want Man to Fail in the Garden of Eden? Is it also possible then that God (Christ) (who never changes, [Malachi 3:6 AMP]) to this very day wants man to fail? See also Psalm 102:27 AMP.
Is it really even possible then that god could intend or intended for man to sin? If so, does this mean god has a need for man to sin? A need for man to sin in order to somehow satisfy a sort of sadistic, twisted insecure desire to have man reliant upon him for forgiveness? Could that need then be so deeply rooted in god’s being, that he was incapable of creating man without such a diabolical twist. Does all of this sound completely absurd to you? Well it’s both true and absurd.
While it is true that the god of this world (Satan) absolutely intends for man to sin (rebel against the will of God (Christ)), it is in no way correct that God (Christ) ever intended for man to sin. It is also no less absurd to think that God (Christ) “intended for man to sin” than the very notion that God (Christ) is a sinner or has sinned in the first place. Nonetheless when you consider two (2) well known examples of Organized Religions, the destructive notion exists. More on those two later, for now consider the three (3) statements below:
Had you (man) not committed sins, god would have brought into existence a creation that would have committed sin (and god) would have forgiven them. (A)
God would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who have committed sin… (B)
God would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from god …” (C)
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Now look again at the three (3) statements noted above here, but this time with the word god replaced by the original text and bracketed emphasis (man) of mine removed:
“Had you not committed sins, Allah would have brought into existence a creation that would have committed sin (and Allah) would have forgiven them.” (A)
God would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who have committed sin… (B)
God would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from god …” (C)
Look familiar? And now for a little more info on two (2) well known examples of Organized Religions wherein, allegedly at least, “god intended for man to sin”:
In case it’s not already glaringly obvious, those three (3) statements above are from Islam. One of the two (2) forms of Organized Religion mentioned immediately. And the god of Islam Allah is also known as the god of this world (Satan), which is of course why (or very large part of why) Islam is so bent on the destruction of the Jews and Israel. The other is from the Mormon Church. And while the notion that “…god intended for man to sin…” may not be part of “Formal Mormon Doctrine”, it does nonetheless form a significant portion of Mormonism (Mormon Philosophy). [Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 2:22–26]
Why then that there are so many members of modern day Christendom who are so willing to propagate a message that is so obviously little than “Doctrines of Demons”? Could it be that they, in their exuberant and enthusiastic quest for sharing the AWESOME message of Jesus Christ / Yeshua Hamashiah, are confused? Or are they otherwise confusing:
The, “All Knowing” (Omniscience) of God (Christ) – Knowing what the end would be, well in advance – [Isaiah 46:10]
With a perceived “intent”
Is there a difference between the terms “All Knowing” and “Intention” (or wilful intent or a planned purpose / outcome from the very beginning)?
Let’s begin with a quick look at some worldly definitions for the two bolded points above:
All Knowing – “Adj. 1. - infinitely wise – omniscient.”
Intention – “Noun 1. - intention - an anticipated outcome that is intended or that guides your planned actions;”
Above definitions courtesy of - TheFreeDictionary
Okay now let’s look at the final authority (or what absolutely should be the final authority) for the Christian:
The Holy Bible, God’s (Christ’s) Holy Word, does teach us that God is in fact – Omniscient (All knowing, as noted above in Isaiah 46:10). But does the Bible actually say that God created Adam and Eve, with the wilful, planned intent to reject His (God’s) commandments? Well for now, I am at a loss to find any clear, concise Biblical Scripture(s) that genuinely supports, let alone blatantly teaches, such heresy.
Please do not misunderstand me; there are a host of Biblical passages that clearly support that God created with clear purposeful intent. What is missing however is a clear indication that God’s (Christ’s) intent was “for man to Fail in the Garden of Eden”, from the very beginning! As noted above, God (Christ) never changes, [Malachi 3:6 AMP], otherwise it would only make sense that right up to this very day God (Christ) must still want man to fail. And that notion is, in and of itself, completely and utterly absurd.
Why absurd, one might ask? Well according to [Jeremiah 29:11 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)] God (Christ) says “ “I say this because I know the plans that I have for you.” This message is from the LORD. “I have good plans for you. I don’t plan to hurt you. I plan to give you hope and a good future. ” ” Also according to [John 10:10 Amplified Bible (AMP)] “I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it [a]overflows).”
How is it then that people, whether they be followers of:
Islam,
a deviation from the Christian Church such as Mormonism,
or even well meaning Christians
How is it that they come up with teachings, sermons and messages like, God (Christ) “intended for man to sin”? The answer very simply and so terribly sadly reverts back to Organized Religion. They listen to the chatter of someone, a friend, family member or someone who holds themselves out as an authority on Biblical matters.
All too often what these well meaning people to do is feed their own personal (and occasionally ill-placed) interpretation of God’s (Christ’s) Holy Word, to their audience. Those people, upon hearing the “message” in turn apply their personal and ill-placed interpretations onto the message… And on we go. Add to the practice of making interpretations or interpretations, a tendency we all have to “read between the lines”. We’ll read a sentence here, and another one there, and begin to second guess. Oft times even blatantly declaring that “sure this sentence says “_______”, and that sentence says “___________ ____________”, but when I put them together, I am sure they mean “___________ __________ ______________ ___ _______”. This can be an extremely foolish and even dangerous practice. Especially when it’s applied to God’s (Christ’s) Holy Word!
So many questions, so many “unknowns”, so very many variables, people in this Church or that Church saying this or that… What’s a person to do? How can we find peace? Peace in this life, peace with God (Christ)? READ first hand God’s (Christ’s) Holy Word. And please do not take anything I write at face value, rather research and verify the facts and form your own opinions.
So many questions, so many “unknowns”, so very many variables, people in this Church or that Church saying this or that… What’s a person to do? How can we find peace? Peace in this life, peace with God (Christ)? READ first hand God’s (Christ’s) Holy Word. And please do not take anything I write at face value, rather research and verify the facts and form your own opinions.
“Know Jesus, know peace whereas no Jesus, no peace”
How does one get to “know” Jesus? Simple, invite Him into your heart, as Jesus says: “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” [Revelations 3:20 NIV] How can we be assured that this Jesus stuff means anything, well because the Bible tells us so, as the Apostle Paul wrote:
“If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.” [Romans 10:9-10 NIV]
And for those of you who say to me, I can’t be bothered reading the Bible, “it’s confusing” or “it’s a waste of my time”, may I draw your attention to what the Bible says about wisdom: “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” [Proverbs 9:10 NIV]
If nothing else, PLEASE read two chapters from the Bible – (don’t own one, sorry NO excuse, if you’re reading this, you can access this: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16&version=NIV) John 3 and John 14!
John 3:16 says: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
And John 14:6 says: “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Well that’s it, that’s Da Bauz’s take on, God (Christ) Wanting Man to Fail in the Garden of Eden – this 22nd day of January 2012 © 2012, All Rights Reserved. wr (Da Bauz, Christian Zionist)
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For some additional reading consider:
For more information on the ideology that Allah NEEDS man to sin, please see - http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/zawadi_allah_needs_sinners.htm - and for a look at the actual Hadith Texts please see - http://t.co/M07dlbIU
According to “Daily Hadith Online . الحديث اليومي” “If you did not commit sins, Allah would create people who would sin and (then) He would forgive them.” - http://www.dailyhadithonline.com/2011/08/11/everyone-sins-but-only-the-righteous-seek-forgiveness-from-allah
And, although it’s a LONG link, a quick Google search of the subject Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6621 returned the following (Full link below):
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